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Leon Arnott (l) says:
Monday's Comic: Any and all continuity nods are appreciated. However, the question that is raised is whether or not the gooey mush that results from dissolving a Caged Beast of Ambiguous Species would retain the orange lustre of the living specimen. Surely, one asks, such a concoction would be coloured only by the discarded hairs floating in it? And is this not out-of-character for our dear Dave, who has been in the employ of Narbonics Research for more than five months, and should really know better by now?
Also: In light of recent comments re: webcomics controversy, I've come to the realisation that I've been altogether too complacent in my hard-edged, no-spin criticism of this online comical strip. So, I shall now attempt to meet my expected quota of lambastery in the following paragraph: The critical problem with today's strip is that its central gag is merely a variant of the standard "over the top" joke whereby the extreme extrapolation of certain variables leads to dissonant (and thus comical) conclusions - which, despite being an old staple of cartoon humour, is (no doubt owing to the great accessibility thereof) overly saturated Internet culture, from the infamous Chuck Norris facts to casual mentions in Dinosaur Comics episodes. In this instance, the kitten is deemed to be so cute that its intrinsic appeal (the exaggerated variable) overpowers the evolutionary defensive instincts of the rodents. The straight, predictable delivery of said gag, in conjunction with its reliance upon an empowered cute character for increasing popular appeal, motivates me to declare it below fitness for the palate of the discerning webcomic connoiseur. Should one decide to extrapolate from this single episode and declare it indicative of the level of humour of the entire Narbonic comic strip, and of the personality and breeding of its author, one can derive a significantly negative regard for the both of them. ...Okay. Now, if my calculations are correct, you, the creator, should now be engulfed in feelings of crushing shame. And possibly also bargaining.
Dave III (dave_iii) says:
Too Long; Didn't Read ^_~
Dave Van Domelen (dvandom) says:
No, Dave never really learns. His "ooh, free food/drink" reflexes are just too ingrained.
David Harmon (mental_mouse) says:
Leon: augh, my eyes! ;-) I like the way the Bengal tiger, a feared predator bigger than all the gerbils and any two of the lab staff, gets relegated to an offscreen demise (and further indignity). It doesn't even rate a face-off with Mel!
Shaenon Garrity (shaenongarrity) says:
I like the way the Bengal tiger, a feared predator bigger than all the gerbils and any two of the lab staff, gets relegated to an offscreen demise (and further indignity). It doesn't even rate a face-off with Mel!
Obviously. That would require some effort to draw.
Wallace Good (good_the_third) says:
Oh really, Sarge, you always pretend you don't like drawing, but if your skills are adequate to convey such a coherent plot, I think you really need a different reply. I'd suggest something about leaving things to our imagination...
nathaniel miller (skavensrule) says:
As Ironychan metioned in her strip a few months ago, "Only a genius cartoonist can blow up a cute kitten and still have it be funny." We bow down before your greatness.
Chris Reed (animeraider) says:
Real Genius!!! I'm so glad you said that.
Brian Rogers (billionsix) says:
I will say that I liked Weird Science. But I agree that it was not a Mad Science movie. The title and the song do not fit. The song, however, is way awesomer than the movie. It captures everything that Mad Science should be, in my opinion. It describes the sheer joy of creation.
Ed Gedeon (eddurd) says:
Yes! Real Genius! I'm old enough that I not only saw it when it first came out, I immediately recognized the giant foil-covered object in the Professor's house! Mom used to buy those for my sister and me when we were children, oh so many many years ago ... of course, we didn't have the cool multi-megawatt laser to heat it with ... I have to agree, "Weird Science" sucked. "Revenge Of The Nerds" was good, "Real Science" was excellent ... but for pure Mad Science, nothing beats "Young Frankenstein". I wish I could have been on the set the day they filmed the scene where Dr. Frahnkensteen performed his Great Experiment ... "GIVE MY CREATION ... LIIIIIIIIIIIFE!" Now *that's* Madliness!
Kristy Valenti (alienjukebox) says:
Curtis Armstrong is always awesome ... whether as the boyfriend of the poetic Agnes DiPesto, the snow-sniffing Charles in Better off Dead, or as Scooter in The Terrible Thunder Lizards.
Speaking of Alice DiPesto, The 80s was kind of a golden age for female nerd sidekicks as well, wasn't it? Annie Potts was great in the Ghost Buster movies, and they even added in Irma as a foil for April O'Neil in the TMNT cartoon.
John Wells (johnwwells) says:
Every year, the incoming freshman class at Caltech watches Real Genius on a giant screen. This is basically required.
Alex Jay Berman (alexjay) says:
Might one say that it's a moral imperative?
Chris Gleason (bkitu42) says:
It must be noted that 1) "awesome Oingo Boingo song" is redundant, and 2) my wife has a huge girl-crush on Shaenon. I'm dreaming again There's life underground It doesn't ever move And it doesn't make a sound --Oingo Boingo
Leon Arnott (l) says:
Tuesday's Comic: Like I said yesterday, "In this instance, the kitten is deemed to be so cute that its intrinsic appeal (the exaggerated variable) overpowers the evolutionary defensive instincts of the rodents." I was expecting an in-universe Also, let us not be too premature in lauding the cartoonist's finesse with hilarious kitten detonation until said detonation actually happens. And yes, the cellular destabilizer has a sideways electricity pylon shooty-zap Dalek thing. All you need to do now is stuff a freshly shelled brain into the glass chamber - resting on the crystal for warmth - and you'll have the greatest Narbonic villain that never was. Fourth-wall dialogue: 10. (Aww, you had such a good streak going there.)
Ian McAlias (idonotlikepeas) says:
But Weird Science has that part where... there's that thing that... it's got... Yeah, you're right. Revenge of the Nerds is twenty times the movie Weird Science is.
Magnolia Pearl Porter (magnoliapearl) says:
I. Love. Curtis. Armstrong.
Jeffrey Channing Wells (jaychanning) says:
I recently watched parts of Weird Science for the very first time just a few days ago. I say "parts of" because I didn't actually make it through the whole film; it was just icky. ATTENTION HOLLYWOOD CIRCA THE 1980s: I WANT A MOVIE CALLED "WEIRD SCIENCE" TO ACTUALLY CONTAIN WEIRD SCIENCE. IS THIS TOO MUCH A THING TO ASK?!?
M Lowe-Hentges (annechen67) says:
I will be the first to agree the movie Weird Science does not contain sciecne in any form. There was the possibility to introduce the mainstream to technomagery, but no, they had to ruin it. If Bill Paxton's butt is the only saving grace for the film, that's pretty sad. Back to the comic: Kittybomb! It's cute and deadly to those larger than its mouth!
Andrew Cole (flaccus) says:
It's always possible that the gerbils have been infected with Toxoplasma gondii -- that's evil and biological and full of mad science. I point you to the truly excellent New York Times article <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26angi.html?ex=1184212800&en=c8253a449735e758&ei=5070>here</a>, which contains the sterling phrase, "A parasitized insect, however, finds itself with the odd compulsion to head for the nearest body of water and jump in, at which point the ripened, writhing worm bursts its host apart like a comic book villain rupturing from a mild-mannered disguise, and starts seeking another freshly born-again worm. " It's like a mash note to evil scientists!
John Belden (beldar) says:
Sir Pounce has become "Kitty Kitty Bang Bang" from the HOL roleplaying game. Another reason I love this comic.
Michael McLawhorn (mhoram) says:
Hallehluia! Sing it sister!
Mike Batcok (batcok) says:
Yep, Val Kilmer is a good distraction from the lack of Curtis Armstrong
Rachel S. (masamage) says:
How It Should Have Ended has a pretty awesome short for Weird Science: http://howitshouldhaveended.com/Divx%20links/Weird_Science.html I think they're absolutely right.
Dylan Meconis (dmeconis) says:
HELLS YEAH OINGO BOINGO. Although Danny Elfman would reportedly sigh and shudder anytime somebody brought up "Weird Science", since it was rather aggravating to have his biggest hit be a theme song for a crappy movie.
Edwin Quantrall (reynard) says:
TV Tropes doesn't seem to have it listed (or, if they do, I couldn't find it), but Dave's line "On the other hand, they are cartoon rodents." is an excellent example of "self realization"; the knowledge that one is merely a character in a cartoon/movie/book/play. (And whose fate is controlled, for better or worse, by the whims of his or her creator.) Also, the only thing that I found memorable about Weird Science was the line, "So, what would you little maniacs like to do first?" That's pretty much my first thought (in the first-person singular, of course) at the beginning of the day...
Scott Pendleton (tuanscott) says:
I haven't said anything yet in the Director's Cut, but I just have to brag that my grad school advisor was the science advisor for Real Genius and he played the math professor in it as well. Dr. Martin Gunderson; look it up.
Vlad Taltos (flyingfish) says:
Uncle Ben! Uncle Ben's stayed dead! *clings to that*
James Rice (jhrice) says:
I am assuming that's Sir Pounce making a cameo appearance in the final strip, sitting on Demon Slayer Seth's shoulder. You can tell me different, but I'm sticking with my assumption.
John Campbell (jcampbel) says:
I'm a definite cat person, and I'm not given to laughing aloud, but when I hit this strip on my first run through the archives, I cracked up. "THEY RIGGED MY KITTEN TO SELF-DESTRUCT!" is a great line to start with, and then you actually blew up the cute kitten. It was totally unexpected!
Leon Arnott (l) says:
Wednesday's Comic: A few webcomic characters who also stay dead: Black Belt,
Reka, Jovia, and the megaGAMERZ.
I would like take the time now to congratulate you on successfully drawing figures with their arms wrapped around their heads, without said figures suffering the dreaded malays known as "three foot arms", "liquid humerus" or "double elbows." But! While you may think this move of killing off the 'cute character' may sate my inner lambaster, who on recent occasions decried your reliance on said character's cuteness for purveying over-exposed brands of internet punch-line, the spontaneity and randomness of the kitten's slaying merely relegates Narbonic's state of humour toward the 'wacky' end of [ 172 words removed - Ed. ] horse you rode in on. Fourth-wall dialogue: 11.
Leon Arnott (l) says:
"The body count so far: Three gerbils: Eaten by Sir Pounce. One Bengal tiger: Liquefied by Helen, drank by Dave. One adorable kitten: Blown up by the gerbils, with an indifferent assist by Mell. We're nowhere near the body count of the first story, what with the entire pack of ur-gerbils being slaughtered by a rabbit, but we've already got a disturbingly high feline death count. As much as I'm in favor of random and senseless violence, I can't help but hope that Sir Pounce somehow got separated from the explosives in-flight. Then again, I also can't bring myself to kill off my Sims." --Kevin Mowery, 7 Feb. 2001
Joseph Abbott (faxpaladin) says:
Edwin: TV Tropes calls it "Genre Savvy."
Leon Arnott (l) says:
I wouldn't call Tuesday's comic a case of "Genre Savvy" because the phrase 'cartoon rodents' (the 'cartoon' adjective being the important one) and the way in which Dave is looking over Helen's shoulder toward us tend toward my classing it as a straight-up Fourth Wall reference.
Dave Van Domelen (dvandom) says:
Uncle Ben sort of came back last year, but then got killed again. ;)
Sean O\'Neil (sponeil) says:
Not everyone was upset. I don't have anything against adorable kittens, but this was one of my favorite strips. It was so over-the-top and unexpected that it made me laugh, and the hate-mail comment from Helen was priceless. Of course, if anyone ever made a live-action show based on Narbonic, they would have to cut this part. It wouldn't be nearly as funny with a real live kitten and a real-looking bomb. ;-)
Amity McGinnis (calamityjane) says:
Leon Arnott: Okay, I'm finally actually registering, because the image of "dreaded malays" is Just Too Much. ^_^ The word you were looking for in your comment on Wednesday's comic is malaise. Malaises, come to think of it, since malaise isn't plural. Dreaded malays would probably be wielding machetes.
Pete (westrider) says:
Ah, another one of my all time favorite lines. I think about half of those are from Narbonic, actually. And, yes, I'm a total cat person, but this was pulled off too perfectly to not laugh out loud. Amity: I had the same reaction to that misspelling. Machetes, and probably some kind of really scary face/body paint .
Andy Wetmore (efogoto) says:
I saw Shonen Knife live in SF about eight years ago. Their cover of the Monkees "Daydream Believer" is a fave. But "Wonder Wine" over "Devil House"?
Graham Robinson (grahamrobinson) says:
This is it. Maybe not the finest installment of Narbonic ever - there's way too many great strips to come - but the first truly great Narbonic strip. Wonderful dialogue, wonderful evil, and best of all a willingness to kill cute animals in amusing manners. There's always the worry with a new creator that they'll turn out to follow all the hideous Hollywood rules, like "don't kill the dog". Here Shannon proved she was going to go wherever the story took her, thank goodness. Cheers, Graham
Edwin Quantrall (reynard) says:
Edwin: TV Tropes calls it "Genre Savvy." <>Ah, okay. Thanks.
Andy Holloway (garran) says:
This is right about the point where I first started reading the strip. Now I can comment without fear of creating a time paradox!
Sean Duggan (duggansc) says:
Sean: -From another Sean...
Daniel Barkalow (iabervon) says:
Amity: I think he meant maladies, not malaise.
James Rice (jhrice) says:
I think that is the biggest "take" Artie ever does in Narbonic, and heck, it's probably the biggest "take" of any character in Narbonic. It's too bad you never drew the gerbil sprites around human Artie.
John Campbell (jcampbel) says:
Is it safe to assume that Ethan dies after spending his last breath to gasp out his message? 'Cause if he doesn't, by my count, there's an insane superintelligent gerbil unaccounted for.
Christopher Heiny (clheiny) says:
Narbonic sprites rule! Sometimes I wish I had some of my own. They probably wouldn't be as well drawn, though.
Basil Jelly (basil_jelly) says:
Video of the song and lyrics are on the message board.
John Wells (johnwwells) says:
I would like "Science Genius Girl" even more if the line were "When I clone a human being, he/she will want to hold my hand."
Leon Arnott (l) says:
Thursday's Comic: Artie is trying to come to grips with another aspect of the human condition - the second of the self-awareness paradoxes. A science-fiction staple if there ever was one.
Y'know, I've just noticed that the vast majority of sapient non-human characters in Narbonic have a tendency to gravitate toward humanity in form and mind: Artie, Caliban, Dr. Pim, Lovelace, and even the Madblood robots strive to become more human-like. Any transformations that depart from humanity, such as Future Helen, Giant Robot Dave, and Mad Dave, are invariably cast in a negative light. What kind of message do you think we should interpret from this, with regard to scientific advancement and the mad science genre itself? (20 marks) Appearances of personality sprites: 5. Another Mystery Solved: I hereby confess that I did in fact misplace a "d" in a Very Important Word just yesternoon. My apologies to those whose sensibilities I may have offended. What I actually meant to say was "lambdaster". (That is, one who wields profane knowledge of the lambda calculus for nefarious purposes. Don't underestimate Evil Mathematics.)
David Harmon (mental_mouse) says:
Leon: Mostly that, "Nonhuman Students" aside, this is a strip by and for humans.... Note that Artie, Lovelace, and the Madbots were all created by humans, for human purposes. Arguably, one could say the same of Caliban, albeit on a different time-scale. >:-) And of course, aliens are always a mirror for humanity....
Dave Van Domelen (dvandom) says:
"Who's going to build my death ray...and grow poison flowers, poison flowers with me?" - Mono Puff ;)
Too bad we never saw Dana's sprites...or did we?
Shaenon Garrity (shaenongarrity) says:
Y'know, I've just noticed that the vast majority of sapient non-human characters in Narbonic have a tendency to gravitate toward humanity in form and mind: Artie, Caliban, Dr. Pim, Lovelace, and even the Madblood robots strive to become more human-like.
It's not that they strive for it, exactly--of that list, Caliban is the only one who's 100% happy to be more human, and he does get to goink Mell--but it's true the characters tend to develop in a humaniform direction. The strip has an anthrocentric bias that I'm sure Artie would find appalling.
John Wells (johnwwells) says:
But what about Zeta? Artifically stripped of her gerbility, she is only able to find happiness when she uncovers her nonhuman roots and befriends a gerbil and a giant robot foot. And Foot, too, is an inspiring case - after taking the necessary and just step of defying his human master and confiding in another nonhuman, he is able to find a place for himself in the world without ever sacrificing his essential giant robot foot-ness.
James Rice (jhrice) says:
I've been acknowledged! That is a really good drawing. What do you suppose the evil gerbil just said?
Alycia Shedd (leeshajoy) says:
Probably something to do with exchanging tutoring for sexual favors.
Leon Arnott (l) says:
Friday's Comic: This is an excellent episode. If it were stripped down to just the first panel, it would still be funny. If it were stripped down to just the first and second panels, it would still be funny (and even more cheekily perverse than the complete strip itself, due to its implication that an exploded kitten would have any scientific value). And it's got Mell providing her familiar brand of zany comic relief (despite seemingly lacking a few fingers). Nominally on topic: "Yes, but the oppressor is you" reminds me of the critical line in the very silly rock opera God Slayer. Total occurences of the "I'm evil" catchphrase: 3.
Dave III (dave_iii) says:
Leon: I totally get where Helen's coming from with those first two panels. Given, the exploded kitten is tragic. But WHY did the kitten explode? That, my friend, is SCIENCE!
Chab Guthrie (chab) says:
Chab says: Friday's strip is one of those -- and there do seem to be more than one (a credit, perhaps, to a Vassar College education) -- that sum up everything that is NARBONIC. Further analysis is not necessary. One quick read through answers all.
M Lowe-Hentges (annechen67) says:
Alycia Shedd says: Probably something to do with exchanging tutoring for sexual favors. Either that, or giving directions on what to do with his other hand.
David Harmon (mental_mouse) says:
What do you suppose the evil gerbil just said? "Hey, you know what the answer should be, so just show him how to rig the data!"
Rachel S. (masamage) says:
Well, the dude seems to be a student, and also seems to be slightly darker-complected, so yeah, I'd say given Artie's taste in men it's easy to guess what the devil-gerbil is saying.
Leon Arnott (l) says:
Saturday's Comic: I'm going to assume, with no other information available, that Artie is using in place of a soapbox nothing less than a Shaenon-brand cigar case. Also: "Humane".
David Harmon (mental_mouse) says:
And Artie begins to grasp that he has summonned something he cannot put down....
David Cunnius (capnq) says:
Another example of Science Set To Music would be Tom Lehrer's "The Elements", in which he sings the periodic table in the style of a Gilbert & Sullivan "patter" song. I suppose his "New Math" would count, too.
Rachel S. (masamage) says:
Wait a second...do you know The Mitosis Waltz, by Moxy Fruvous? If it's ze secrets of life zat you seek,Zen srough a mi-croscope you must peek!
Andy Holloway (garran) says:
Appropriately, Leon Arnott's experiment has escaped his control.
Chab Guthrie (chab) says:
Tom Lehrer's NEW MATH always counts! Incidently, a note to Dave: the -then younger- programers, who made the first big breakthroughs in programing, all went to grade school when they were teaching NEW MATH. It's good to know base 12, etc.
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