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Dave Van Domelen (dvandom) says: Dun dun DUNNNNN!
Dieter M. (tangerine) says:

Don't stop her, she's on a roll.

Grant McCormick (grantcmccormick) says:

Godwin just said Sweetheart lost.

Rachel S. (masamage) says:


Adam Underfoot (unnatural20) says: I think this is closer to Reductio ad Hitlerum.

The suggested logic is one of guilt by association, a classic confusion of correlation and causality, as if to say that anything that Adolf Hitler did, no one else should do, for it will obviously or eventually lead to genocide.
Diane Castle (deecee) says:

Well then, it's a good thing Hitler didn't like webcomics.

JP Chabot (speedball) says:

It's the glasses, I know, but I keep thinking, "When did Tip turn into a lion?"

Also I'm curious as to what, exactly, Leo would get from this.

Louis Richards (lummer5000) says:


He did.  He just got frustrated because nobody had invented the Internet yet.

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

Speculating here, but Leo and H.T. seem to be comrades, and if their goal is to jump-start the transgenic-rights revolution, having a human hate-group as an opponent is an effective way to rally the troops.  Having a human-identified transgenic like Phil as the culprit is especially useful for discrediting the assimilationists.  "Phil's so totally assimilated that he thinks he's human, and he's attacking his own kind!"

What's the transgenic equivalent of an "Uncle Tom?"

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

Oh, and Dieter, I'm still laughing at the thought of Sweetheart as Bluto.  Will she end up as Senator Sweetheart?

Grant McCormick (grantcmccormick) says:

I can't spell 'Reductio.'

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

@JP I keep thinking post-going-mad Dave personally. The glasses and the mane just combine to look a little like him....

Ed Gedeon (eddurd) says:

(TUNE: "I Fought The Law", Bobby Fuller Four)

Sweetheart's making a ... mistake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!

Human hate group is ... so fake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!

    Does Leo feel a smidge of remorse?
    I think his nerve will break ...
    And Phil was just their pigeon, of course ...
    It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!
    It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!

Now all logic we'll ... forsake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!

What a dumb faux paw ... to make!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!
It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!

    Now Sweetheart says that joke is dumb!
    An evil name she spake!
    Reducto-o ad Hilterum!
    It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!
    It's Godwin's Law, oh for ... God's sake!

Dieter M. (tangerine) says:

@Grant:  You know who else made a cheap fourth-panel gag?


Uh-huh.  That's right.  Sweetheart.

Andrew Kunz (ampersand888) says:

Godwin....she's the gorilla biologists, right?

vicka corey (drbrain) says:

i'd guess he's doing it to boost popularity of the comic, by making it seem like he's talking about a real conspiracy.

joe dreyfuss (jdreyfuss) says:

To be fair, Sweetheart did walk right into that one. Now, if Phil's name was Patrick, I could understand her not wanting to use the much more common 'patsy,' but since it isn't she only has herself to blame for the accidental pun.

Jon Stout (brasswatchman) says: Wait, *Leo*?
Jennifer Brock (jennibrock) says:


"Mr. Tumnus," maybe?

Sam Ashley (evilmidnightlurker) says:

Sweetheart scares lions?  Wow.

Cat Bascle (mage_cat) says:

It's not like Leo is that hard to scare.  Remember, the first arc was called the Cowardly Lion for a reason.

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

1. In Leo's webcomic, I thought it was the lions hunting and persecuting the antelope.

2. Lion #2 and Antelope got it on?  Between this and goblin porn, Sweetheart seems to have very catholic tastes in erotica.

3. Leo is seven kinds of adorable in panel 4, but are all webcomic artists this pathetically easy to please?

Diane Castle (deecee) says:

@Kay: yes, ALL web artists, authors, creators, etc. are just that easy to please (as I know from personal experience).

Remember when I said I really liked your filk?

JP Chabot (speedball) says:

I can confirm that I am exactly that pathetically easy to please, too.

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

I'm a member of the Pathetically Easy to Please Club, too, unless Diane's saying she didn't really like my filk.  In that case, I'm just a member of the Sad Puppy Club.

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

When people look at my photographs, I'm generally absurdly happy. So I get an idea of how leo's feeling. :P

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Ed Gedeon (eddurd) says:

(TUNE: "Hey Jude", The Beatles)

Hey, dude!
That bomb was crude!
It's a decoy, you knew, for shizzle!
'Cause nylon, it makes a terrible fuse,
Phil tried to use ...
His bomb went fizzle!

It's known
That acetone
Doesn't blow up, just spits and drizzles ...
A solvent you use for making your art!
It was a part
Of bomb that fizzles!

    Just like your comic that's online!
    (Which, yes, I read ...
    The stuff I enjoy is quite diverse now ...)
    And when the antelope and lion
    End up in bed,
    I said to myself, "That's quite perverse, wow!"

Now, dude,
Your plan is screwed!
If a bomb fails, you know that this'll!
You wanted to give the members a scare!
Your bomb sat there,
And just went fizzle, fizzle,  fizzle,  fizzle,
Fizzle,  fizzle, PBPBLT!

Brian Petery (ugwump) says: There are a number of cases where dogs have adopted lion cubs when the mother lion has rejected them. If the dog is allowed to continue nursing her puppies alongside the cubs the puppies will generally dominate the larger lions because dogs are more energetic.
D S (wulf) says:

Lion adopting antelope cub. 'nuff said (well, actually, lioness chasing antelope mother away, caring for the young antelope, but allowing the mother back to nurse, until the young antelope is killed by a liion, then repeating the process four more times, with poor results each time).​deos/weird-true-freaky/?smid=Y​TAPC-YTD-VHP

Daibhid Ceannaideach (daibhidc) says:

@Kay That was the pre-Cerebus Syndrome version of the comic, before all the miscarriages and stuff.

And yes, I'm always delighted when someone says they liked my fanfic. Or read my fanfic. Or are vaguely aware I've written fanfic.

@DS: See now, when humans do that, it's called "farming"...

joe dreyfuss (jdreyfuss) says:

@Dalbhid: Techniclly, that's called "ranching." Farming only applies to growing crops or raising livestock primarily for purposes other than meat, like dairy or wool. Ranching is raising livestock primarily for meat.

I think ants farm too. They grow fungi for food and raise aphids for their sweet butt-milk.

Rachel Blackman (rainpacket) says:

Thanks, Joe.  Without your intervention, I could have happily lived my entire life without encountering the term 'sweet butt-milk.' :P

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

@Daibhid: I'm vaguely aware you've written fanfic!

Diane Castle (deecee) says:

@Kay: I'm crushed!  You were vaguely aware Daibhid has written fanfic, and you didn't know about my writings!  :-)

Umm, everyone is aware that Ed has a cool webcomic of his own, right?

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

Okay, here's the deal: those of you who have webcomics, fanfic, etc. post links.  The rest of us non-creative types will read them. That way, we can all be pathetically easily pleased.

JP Chabot (speedball) says:

Magneto, you fool! When will you ever learn?

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

tune: "Hanky panky," Tommy James and the Shondells

I can't get any hanky panky
I'm not Tip, can't be slutty-skanky
This mission's leaving me quite cranky
I want a tiger long and lanky
I can't get any hanky panky

I met a cool cat, name of H.T..
I thought "This tiger's the one for me!"
We went to dinner, had some Hardee
And then he put a smooth move on me
His cover's blown, now
That means we can't bone now

I can't get any hanky panky
Not Tip, I can't be slutty-skanky
This mission's leaving me quite cranky
I want a tiger long and lanky
I can't get any hanky panky

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

You might say her approval of HT....has bombed.

Ed Gedeon (eddurd) says:

As far as posting a link to my comic ... clicking on where it says "eddurd" above will take you to the latest page.

(TUNE: "Satisfaction", The Rolling Stones)

   I just can't get thrown a bone now ...
   Spending long nights all alone now ...
   Because me
   And H.T.
   Can't agree,
   Now I see
   I just can't get ... thrown a bone!

When I'm tryin' to solve a case,
And the truth I doggedly chase,
That's when I found out, the cat I date
Pretends to be a group of hate!
I can't get to first base,
I just can't get ... thrown a bone!
Bow wow wow!
Unhappy now!
    (repeat CHORUS)

When I question Leo Lion,
He breaks down and he starts cryin',
And he swears it wasn't him!
Seems I always pick the loser guys ...
It's just that, hanky-panky-wise,
I just can't get ... thrown a bone!
Bow wow wow!
Unhappy now!
    (repeat CHORUS)

So It Begins (soitbegins) says: Awwww....?
John Taylor (barkingmonkey) says:

@ Jdreyfuss: So why is it called "Fishfarming" and not "Fishranching"?  Also, 'Dude ranch' is DEFINITELY off my vacation plans from now on!

Ysabet Just Ysabet (theysabet) says:

Because Robert Heinlein was right when he defined the English language as 'the result of Norman men-at-arms trying to score dates with Anglo-Saxon barmaids.'  English is weird and highly inconsistant.

joe dreyfuss (jdreyfuss) says:

@ John: I guess it only applies to beasts and not fish or fowl. There's no such thing as a chicken ranch after all. Except the brothel, of course.

@ Rachel: Don't you feel richer now for having heard it? ;)

Prodigal (snakebitcat) says:

"You might say her approval of HT....has bombed."


Sam Ashley (evilmidnightlurker) says:

No one who speaks German could be an evil spambot!

Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

Laughing out loud, and helplessly, at panel 4.  If only I could work "Oh, grow a mane" into real-life conversations.

JP Chabot (speedball) says:

These spam-bots are getting out of control! Anyway, "Grow a mane" is going to be my favorite euphemism for de-enmasculation now. Thank you, Jeff and Shaenon!

Ed Gedeon (eddurd) says:

(TUNE: "If I Only Had A Brain", Harold Arlen and E.Y. Harburg)

Here comes Sweetheart now, she found me!
Continuing to hound me,
She'll question me again!
Though our plot didn't thicken,
Still, my stomach wouldn't sicken
If I'd only grow a mane!

Phil the mynah was our patsy ...
In prison now he's at, see,
And there he will remain!
I would be more than cheerful
And I wouldn't be so fearful
If I'd only grow a mane!

    H.T., he had the plan!
    So all the members would agree
    That all the race of Man
    Must surely be ... our enemy!

Humans now we're demonizing,
The League we're galvanizing
And power we'll attain!
And then I would be willin'
To admit that I'm the villain
If I'd only grow a mane!

So It Begins (soitbegins) says: I knew HT would be villain-y. He's a tiger, after all!

Also: (Hobbes!)
Kay Gilbert (kaygilbert) says:

We represent Ed Gedeon's fans

Ed Gedeon's fans, Ed Gedeon's fans

And in the name of Ed Gedeon's fans

We wish to thank him for that awesome filk

joe dreyfuss (jdreyfuss) says:

It almost sounds like Sweetheart doesn't care so much that the incident likely hurt Skin Horse's practical authority. Weird.

P. Ipsum (vitupera) says:

Oh, I don't know, I take it as more of a mark of Sweetheart's ethics that she focuses first on the fact that someone got taken advantage of and manipulated into being the fall guy.

Carl Fishman (carlfishman) says:

Skinhorse is a government agency!  Sweetheart knows that the chance that they'll be deemed irrelevent and defunded is aproximately zero.

Andrew Kunz (ampersand888) says:

I didn't know how long it would take before you actually went to Wizard of Oz songs (next: songs from Wicked), but did you really have to go to the Lollypop Guild song?

Josh Shepherd (bergerjacques) says:

Lollipop Guild is only the single greatest song in the history of the known Universe. Kudos for the added Little People visuals that only enhanced its legend.

vicka corey (drbrain) says:

i guess getting her staff member beat up is even worse sleeping with him.  poor sweetheart!

Pastangum Felinix (pastangum) says:

Well, it's not like Sweetheart could tell Leo to 'man up'.

Shaenon Garrity (shaenongarrity) says:

Final notice: 24 hours left on the Narbonic Kickstarter drive!
Tiff Hudson (tiff_hudson) says:

Ed Gedeon is a freakkin' GENIUS!!!


Dave Van Domelen (dvandom) says: It gives wire to the wireless!
JP Chabot (speedball) says:

No, no, the expression is "a tiger by the tail," Sweetheart!

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

The xboxes are a lie?

Louis Richards (lummer5000) says:

Oh yes.   Let the Herbivores play Kinectimals until they're so used to having fun with the KittyCat types that they'll never see the attack coming.


Ed Gedeon (eddurd) says:

Oh, great, now we're getting posts in Spammish ...

(TUNE: "Brick House", The Commodores, 1977)

    Bought an X-Box!
    For little critters, behind those bars and locks!
    Yeah, bought an X-Box!
    They all got some, it's kinda dumb, 'cause no one has a thumb!
    Yeah, bought an X-Box!
    Multi-player, ev'ryone online, it's fun they're and doing fine!

I can't confess to all this mess!
H.T. and me, we need AsLAN!
We use our dough, to buy "Halo"
Got the cheats and the walk-through sheets,
Modding that's been banned!
    (repeat CHORUS)

Double left, double right, up and down twice ...
Double left, double right, up and down twice ...
   (fade out)

joe dreyfuss (jdreyfuss) says:

I know she doesn't have the strength, but based on his position in the first panel it looks like Sweetheart is dragging him by the tail and he's digging into the ground to brake himself. I'm going to have that image running through my head all day now. Hehe

Mason Kramer (masonk) says:

How do we know she doesn't have the strength, Joe? She is, after all, the product of a mad scientist. She could have strength far beyond that of ordinary dog, and just prefer not to use it because it's not ladylike.

N B (daveclone7) says:

That, and Leo's been established as kind of a wuss puss.

Prodigal (snakebitcat) says:

She ate her creator; that might imply greater jaw strength than normal for her breed.

joe dreyfuss (jdreyfuss) says:

Being a wuss doesn't make him any lighter. I don't think they ever said anything about her being extra strong when they described her engineering.

Name not found (codebracker) says: The second picture really remindsv me of dave: same glasses, same face shape, same excuses to have good karma, they're both wusses... The only diferences are: facial harir and haircut.
Name not found (codebracker) says: PS: and the nose, it's the main diference. Maybe a were-dave would look similar?
Dieter M. (tangerine) says:

Doesn't sound like any real-life strip I've ever heard of penny arcade.

Shaenon Garrity (shaenongarrity) says:

I imagine Leo would look not unlike Dave if he were human. He'd definitely fall into that shaggy-geeky-guy continuum.
Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

...Although he hasn't accidentally blown up a building. Yet.

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

You know, sometime you just have to dive at a lead in a case, and hope it makes a splash. I'd say this particular example is going....swimmingly....

Greg Mosher (noc) says:

I dunno.  I think Sweetheart may have landed herself in deep water.  

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

Well, her approach is certainly sink-or-swim.

Adam Underfoot (unnatural20) says:

Ugh, you people and your assumptions.

Frankly, you're all wet. Seriously, water you thinking?
Andrew Kunz (ampersand888) says:

Do tigers love to play with their prey?

Jared Anderson (the_shrike) says:

Someone drop the spambot in the deep end, please?

woozy (woozy) says:

>> Someone drop the spambot in the deep end, please?

Be sure to unplug it first, please.

Ysabet Just Ysabet (theysabet) says:

"There once was a lady from Liger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger;
They came back from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tiger." careful, Sweetheart.  Just sayin'.

The Auld Grump (theauldgrump) says:

Oh, dirty pool H. T.. Dirty pool!

So It Begins (soitbegins) says: I'm sorry, did she say 'undercover', 'under the covers', or 'underwater'?
Vlad Taltos (flyingfish) says:

Is it still skinny-dipping if they never wore clothes in the first place?

Tom Powell (top1950) says:

Smooth, Sweatheart, smooth.

Joyce Melton (halfelven) says:

Dogs are terrible liars. :) Love the expressiveness of the art in this one. Leo's earnest goofiness, Sweetheart's determination and transparent deception, H.T.'s smug anticipatory grin, great stuff.

Glen Ten-Eyck (justglen) says:

Woozy:  Why unplug the spambot first?  With luck, it could electrocute whoever is running it.

Thomas Levy (ergonomytch) says:

Just thought I'd point out Tip and Sweetheart had a cameo in Leftover Soup!

Shaenon Garrity (shaenongarrity) says:

Thomas: Awesome!
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